Interview: Suki Kim—Getting Into North Korea (12:45)
John Donvan introduces Kim; the audience records preliminary votes. Kim discusses posing as a missionary and English Teacher in North Korea (DPRK). During the Korean War, Kim's relatives who were studying nursing disappeared.
Interview: Suki Kim—Living in North Korea (09:26)
Evangelicals throughout the world funded the education of children from prominent North Korean families. Kim erased her book nightly from the laptop and carried it on a USB stick around her neck. Checkpoints exist between each town and the entire country is under surveillance.
Debate "Housekeeping" (04:56)
John Donvan introduces the panelists and explains the debate format on denuclearizing North Korea.
Opening Statements For: Bonnie Jenkins (04:36)
Nonresident Senior Fellow of the Brooking Institution and former ambassador, Jenkins negotiates nuclear, chemical, and biological non-proliferation treaties; Iran recently signed the Joint Comprehensive Agreement (JCPOA). Understanding the past is important, but it should not impair future progress through communication.
Opening Statements Against: Mira Rapp-Hooper (05:30)
Senior research fellow at Yale Law School, Rapp-Hooper explains that North Korea believes it needs nuclear weapons to survive, there is no suitable alternative the United States can give, and America is putting itself at risk. Denuclearization is the complete, verifiable, irreversible disarmament.
Opening Statements For: Suzanne DiMaggio (05:51)
Senior Fellow at New America and the U.S. DPRK dialogue director, Suzanne DiMaggio explains that North Korea wants the sanctions lifted to develop the country economically. Kim Jong-un told Moon Jae-in that the country would give up nuclear weapons in exchange for the United States ending the Korean War and promising to never invade their country.
Opening Statements Against: Sue Mi Terry (05:29)
Former CIA analyst and senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Terry explains that every agreement the United States has signed with North Korea has fallen apart. Since Kim Jong-un came into power six years ago, the country has performed four nuclear tests and 90 ballistic missile tests.
Trusting Negotiating Partners (07:27)
Donvan summarizes opening statements. Jenkins explains that the verification process ensures agreements are met. Rapp-Hooper counters that Kim Jong-un wants sanctions relief not denuclearization.
Lowering Expectations (04:53)
Rapp-Hooper worries that if the Trump Administration does not receive the complete disarmament of North Korea, it will consider a preventative war. DiMaggio counters that Mike Pompeo discussed a plan to achieve complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization with Kim Jong-un.
Willingness to Trade (06:26)
DiMaggio lays out steps the North Korean government could make to establish trust. Kim Jong-un has an ICBM that could attack the continental United States. Rapp-Hooper explains that removal of sanctions will bring the leader to the negotiating table but he will not fully disarm.
Prolonging Negotiations (05:28)
Rapp-Hooper explains how Kim Jong-un will make minor concession but never completely denuclearize. Terry counters that it is an unrealistic goal.
Q/A: Other Countries' Roles (03:18)
The United States will rely on the international community to perform inspections. DiMaggio explains that Kim Jong-un will no longer require the U.S. to remove troops from the peninsula.
Q/A: Conventional Firepower (06:13)
North Korea has 14,000 conventional tubes aimed at Seoul. Kim Jong-un is willing to discuss reducing conventional weaponry. The DPRK wants South Korea's alliance with the U.S. to end and troops removed.
Q/A: China's Influence and Denuclearization (03:08)
China wants only regional stability and its involvement is essential. China has started reducing sanctions.
Q/A: Leverage and Blind Spots (03:42)
The U.S. can offer security guarantees, a peace treaty, normalization, and economic benefits. The current administration has decimated the State Department. Terry worries that signing a treaty will hurt the U.S. later.
Concluding Statement For: Jenkins (01:38)
Jenkins describes performing military exercises with South Korea and the Soviet Union. Negotiation is essential to reduce tensions and fear of a nuclear exchange.
Concluding Statement Against: Terry (02:18)
Terry's grandparents came from North Korea. Jong-un has a different definition of denuclearization. False expectations are dangerous and not good for Korean peninsula peace.
Concluding Statement For: DiMaggio (03:06)
Preconceived notions, past offenses, and assumptions reduce when speaking in person. Changing the nature of the relationship with North Korea will take time.
Concluding Statement Against: Rapp-Hooper (02:28)
Rapp-Hooper reads the text from the 1992 agreement with North Korea. Some deal may be possible but complete denuclearization is impossible. Set attainable goals and expectations.
Time to Vote (05:20)
Donvan compliments the panelists on their conduct and instructs the audience to vote. Panelists discuss how Trump wants a foreign policy legacy.
Audience Vote Results (01:20)
Pre-Debate - For: 34% - Against: 41% - Undecided: 25%
Post-Debate - For: 27% - Against: 67% - Undecided: 16%
Credits: Negotiations Can Denuclearize North Korea: A Debate (00:08)
Credits: Negotiations Can Denuclearize North Korea: A Debate
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